Sub-grand WMCE 1: the base system
So
we're going to assume that you can do some basic "under-the-hood"
computer work, but not enough to build your own PC. The goals here are:- Keep the system inexpensive (less than $1,000)
- Make the upgrades minimal and simple
- Use the HDTV capabilities of WMCE
- Prepare for integration with the Xbox 360
So what did we pick, how much did it cost and what did we get for our money? Find out more after the jump!
The system we chose was readily available at CompUSA for $649. At the risk of a smattering of "boos", I'll say right up front that we chose a Gateway system. (*ducks from flying tomatoes*) Now, hear me out on this. We didn't have a requirement to go with a top-of-the-line name brand, and I've had some good luck with Gateways in the past. Remember that our ultimate goal is to have a solid machine for under a grand and we need some money for extra components yet!
So what did $649 buy us? The Gateway 838GM mini-tower is powered by and Intel Pentium 4 630 chip that's rated at a 3.0 Ghz clock speed. This chip also has Intel's Hyper-Threading technology. More expensive systems offered multi-core processing, but for our budget, we went with this CPU and the 800 Mhz front side bus.

If we're going to watch and record high-definition programming, we're going to need some decent storage. The 838GM system is equipped with 200 GB of storage, which is about the minimum we would want. The upside is: the 7200 RPM drive uses a fast S-ATA 150 interface and an 8 MB cache.
Expandability is key and we liked the options that this box gives us. We have 7 USB 2.0 ports and 3 IEEE-1394 (FireWire) ports to use. Inside the box we have an open PCI slot as well as an open PCI-Express slot. These will come in handy later because the on-board Intel Graphics Accelerator isn't quite what we want for viewing our television and other media.
For optical storage, the system comes with one CD-ROM drive and one DVD drive. The optical DVD is a DVD +/- RW so we can burn (and re-burn) some programming as needed. The system also comes with 512MB of PC3200 RAM memory running at 400Mhz. That's not enough for us, but we'll chat about that in a later post; yet another reason to save a few bucks in the budget!
Additionally, like many low-end WMCE computers, we didn't get a TV tuner of any type; neither NTSC (analog) nor ATSC (digital). This kept the cost down and gave us more choice over what tuner we want to add.
For those of you that threw tomatoes at me when I mentioned "Gateway", forget the label for a second and let us know what you think of these specs for $650? Sure, there are less expensive WMCE systems, but we didn't want to compromise too much. We could have spent more for enhanced storage or processing features, but that would have hit the budget too hard.
Next up: adding more memory and a graphics card quickly and cheaply!




















Reader Comments (Page 1 of 1)
Buzzcut @ Nov 21st 2005 5:56PM
Did you say how much memory it has? I guess 512 megs.
Josh @ Nov 22nd 2005 9:04AM
I actually just posted this in your original thread, thinking it was this one.
I think you would have done better to build the PC from scratch, actually.
I have no doubt that you could build a Media PC for under $1000. I've done it.
AMD Athlon 64 3000+ $140
MSI K8N Neo Platinum $95
NVidia 6600GT video card $140
1GB RAM $90
2 160GB hard drives $60 ($30 each on Black Friday)
HDTV Wonder $100 (CompUSA right now)
BenQ 1640 DVD Writer $40
Windows XP Media Center Edition $115
Some case with a 400W power supply $80
That is $860. I used the Kram drivers so I didn't need an SD capture card. And, actually, I already had a power supply and case for it from a previous computer project. I've since added another 250GB hard drive for $90, and I plan on adding another 500GB soon, which should work out to around $120. So, over 1TB for $120 + $90 + $60 = $270 using 5 hard drives. ;) If I were to do it now, I'd probably just buy 3 300GB SATA hard drives for $90 each.
Buzzcut @ Nov 22nd 2005 9:56AM
Nice job there, Josh.
What's up with the "Kram drivers", does that get past MCE's need for a separate analog tuner?
How does the HDTV wonder work with the non-ATI card? How does it work in general?
How does it perform with the 3000+? Feel any need for a hyperthreaded CPU? Feel any need for a higher performance CPU?
Kevin C. Tofel @ Nov 22nd 2005 11:48AM
I completely agree that we could have built a WMCE from the ground up for less, but I've read a bunch of those stories so I thought to take a different approach. I also wanted to keep the actual "building" as simple as possible for the technically challenged. I was going to go the Kram driver route, but I went a different way, so stay tuned!
Josh @ Nov 22nd 2005 7:22PM
The ATI HDTV Wonder has an SD tuner built in. But you can't use both the HD tuner and the SD tuner at the same time, which is a requirement that Media Center has. So using the standard drivers only gives you access to the HD tuner. The Kram drivers makes MCE think that the SD tuner on the HDTV Wonder is an eHome Wonder SD tuner, and seperate from the HD tuner. Of course, if you try to record in HD and SD at the same time, you would be in trouble. But people who use the Kram drivers generally don't even want to record SD. If you did, you would buy a tuner better than a crappy software ehome wonder. :-)
The HDTV Wonder only serves to stream MPEG2 video from the antenna into the computer. Media Center then records the stream straight to the hard drive. There is no encoding involved. And playback is purely a function of the MPEG2 decoder and the video card. So, really, the ATI HDTV Wonder and the NVidia 6600GT don't even interact at all! There is no issue with compatibility at all.
The Socket 754 3000+ performed perfectly. However, I ended up with a good opportunity to build a 3.4GHz Pentium 4 system, and I did so. The AMD has been replaced. The ASUS P5LD2 motherboard/P4 that I have now seems to do a better job at going into and out of S3 sleep mode. The AMD took longer to resume and go to sleep. The nice thing about Media Center is that the recording task runs as a service. It will wake your PC up from S3 or hibernation mode about 5 minutes before a recording is set to start. After the recording is done, it will go right back to sleep!
wim @ Dec 9th 2005 8:17AM
It's absolutely possible to build a better HD HTPC from scratch than you guys are doing for under a grand..
start from scratch. I did it. use an AMD Athlon 3200+ or higher ($145,- and $80,-)and one of those nvidia nforce 430 / 6150 based boards and you will spare yourself a videocard. put that into memory and storage and up go the specs of your little powerhouse.
I have build mine using
Asus A8N vm-CSM
athlon 64 3200+
1024 MB kingston
samsung 250Gb s-ata 300 (silent!!)
Firedtv DVB-T hdtv tuner
crystalfontz LCD in front of cabinet
silverstone passive PSU (silent again!!)
Plextor slot in DVD burner
and I converted an old Cyberhome DVD player case to match my stereo.
all this at a mere 870,-
and that's in europe guys, i'm sure this can be done in the us too as all goods need to be imported here.
Kevin C. Tofel @ Dec 9th 2005 9:02AM
wim, you're absolutely correct. I've been building computers for 20 years and could have done it cheaper and have a more powerful system. However, I don't think the typical reader of our high-def blog has the experience that you and I have, so I took a simple approach. If this were a hardware blog, then I would have gone along the lines of what you proposed (I especially like the choice of hard drive for transfer speed, BTW!).